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The first thing missing in the demonic nature is knowing what to do and what to leave undone.

This verse opens a long portrait of the demonic disposition with its foundational lack: not one dramatic wrongdoing, but the quiet loss of the plain discrimination between engagement and withdrawal, the sorting that everything else depends on.

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The verseSpoken by Krishna
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प्रवृत्तिं च निवृत्तिं च जना न विदुरासुराः।न शौचं नापि चाचारो न सत्यं तेषु विद्यते
pravṛittiṁ cha nivṛittiṁ cha janā na vidur āsurāḥ na śhauchaṁ nāpi chāchāro na satyaṁ teṣhu vidyate

People of demonic nature cannot tell what should be done from what should be left undone. In them there is no purity, no good conduct, and no truth.

Bhagavad Gita 16.7
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Sanskrit recitation by Swami Brahmānanda

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Where it stands

Krishna has just told Arjuna directly that he is born for the divine nature, not the demonic. Now, having set that reassurance in place, he turns to describe the demonic disposition in full, a long portrait that runs across many verses. This line states its very first, foundational absence.

The teaching

The first thing missing in a coarse heart is the sense of what to do and what to leave alone.

The very first thing missing in people of demonic nature is this: they cannot tell what should be done from what should be left alone. Moving forward into right action, holding back from wrong action, this basic sorting is simply gone in them. Several readings treat this as the foundational failure, the single lack from which everything else in the portrait follows, rather than one item on a list of equal faults. On some readings this not-knowing reaches all the way into a broken relationship with scripture itself, since the very commands and prohibitions that would tell right from wrong depend on a trust these people no longer place anywhere. Because the basic discrimination is gone, three further things are named as absent: purity, the cleanness of body and mind; right conduct, the steady practices of a disciplined life; and truth, speech that is honest and good for other beings. These three are not read as separate accidents. They are what falls away once the one plain question, what should I do, what should I refrain from, stops being asked at all. And the harshness of the description has a stated purpose: a fault that cannot be seen cannot be turned away from, so it is drawn out plainly here, over many verses, precisely so that it can finally be recognized and refused.

The doubt that rises

If people described this way cannot even tell right from wrong, is that itself a moral failure they are responsible for, or a blindness that has simply overtaken them? And where the classical commentators themselves fall silent on a verse like this one, what is owed to the reader: silence in turn, or a carefully labeled guess at what they might have said?

Where the paths divide

Advaita Vedanta

Read as ordinary duty and its opposite, with only one paragraph of Shankara's own comment on file.

Shankara reads engagement as the setting-to-work in the duty that is to be done, and withdrawal as its exact opposite, the drawing back from the cause of harm. The demonic lack this discrimination outright, and, he adds directly, are by nature unclean, ill-conducted, given to maya, and speakers of untruth. The published source for his comment on this verse runs to a single substantive paragraph before breaking off at a bare transition marker, so nothing further from his own hand is available here.

Vishishtadvaita

Read as Vedic duty toward prosperity and liberation, with conduct as the cause of purity.

Ramanuja ties engagement and withdrawal to the Vedic duty that secures both worldly well-being and final release, so the failure named here is a failure within that specific frame of scripture. He gives purity and conduct an exact structure: conduct, above all the twilight-worship, is what produces purity as its effect, and he cites a rule directly, that one without the twilight-worship is always impure and unfit for all rites. Truth, in his reading, is right knowledge and speech aimed at the good of others. As with Shankara, only one full paragraph of his own comment survives on file for this line.

Dvaita

The source states plainly that no comment survives; any extension here is clearly labeled as such.

The material available for this verse says directly that Madhvacharya offers no comment on it. Nothing invented stands in his name here. What can honestly be offered is only a labeled extension of his wider framework: on a Dvaita reading, the demonic failure to discriminate engagement from withdrawal would mark a soul whose very nature is turned away from the dependence on the Lord that alone makes such discrimination possible, so that impurity, misconduct, and untruth would be the visible signature of a soul-type fixed from without beginning. This is offered strictly as extrapolation, not as Madhva's own word.

Kashmir Shaivism

One short but genuine remark survives, reframing the terms as two questions.

What is preserved of Abhinavagupta's comment here is brief, a single distinctive remark rather than a developed passage. He reads pravritti and nivritti not chiefly as two actions but as two questions turned toward anything that arises: from what has this come, and where does it dissolve. On this reading, the demonic lack, at root, this very inquiry into origin and dissolution. The source is silent on how this connects to purity, conduct, or truth specifically; any such connection offered here is a clearly labeled construction, not his stated word.

Bhakti

Read as one failure of discrimination removing the ground beneath the rest.

Sridhara reads this verse as opening a long, deliberate portrait of the demonic nature, and names its first sign as a single failure of clear judgment: the very power to know what should and should not be done is missing. Cleanness, conduct, and truth are absent, on his reading, not as three separate faults sitting alongside the first, but as three things left with no ground to stand on once that one discriminating power is gone.

Modern

Read as the loss of the whole apparatus for telling right from wrong, not one wrong act.

Carried into a present-day frame, Madhusudana's careful distinction between the bare acts and the scriptural sentences establishing them points to something still useful outside any ritual setting: the demonic failure is not any single wrongdoing but the loss of the entire apparatus, inherited or reasoned, by which right and wrong could be told apart at all. His observation that purity and truth are named apart from conduct by deliberate rhetorical emphasis is worth noticing on its own terms, as a habit of clear teaching rather than an accident of composition.

The readings agree that one lost discrimination removes the ground for purity, conduct, and truth together, but they part on how tightly that discrimination is bound to Vedic scripture, to worship, or, on one fragmentary reading, to a contemplative inquiry into origin and dissolution rather than to action at all. And two of the classical voices, Madhva and largely Abhinavagupta, leave this particular verse thin or silent; what to do with that silence, fill it carefully and say so, or let it stand, is left open rather than resolved.

A question to carry

Where in your own life has the plain question gone quiet, what should I move toward, what should I hold back from, and what would it take to ask it again today?

Take this verse first as a mirror, not a description of someone else. The first sign of a hardening heart is rarely a dramatic wrongdoing; it is this quiet question going dim. Ask it again, plainly, before you act, and let that asking be enough for now.

Each school is voiced from the commentators named above. Their full words, every translation, and where the schools agree and differ wait in the reading desk just below. Open the commentary desk.

Krishna has just named the two inheritances, divine and demonic, and told Arjuna he is born for the divine; now he turns to describe the demonic in full, and this verse states its very first, foundational absence.

Where they agreethe convergence

Once the basic discrimination between what should be done and what should be left undone is gone, purity, conduct, and truth have no ground left to stand on; the readings differ chiefly on how tightly that discrimination is bound to Vedic scripture, and two of the classical voices are honestly thin or silent on this particular line.

Across schools and centuries the commentators come to the same ground. These are the points they share, and the voices that hold each one.

3schools

The very first thing absent in the demonic is the plain knowing of what to move toward and what to hold back from.

Across Advaita, Viśiṣṭādvaita, BhaktiŚaṅkara · Rāmānuja · Śrīdhara · Madhusūdana
In Śaṅkara, Rāmānuja, and 2 others’ words

The verse names the very first thing missing in a person of demonic nature: the ability to tell pravritti from nivritti, what should be engaged with and what should be left alone. Shankara, Ramanuja, Sridhara, and Madhusudana all treat this as the foundational failure, the one lack from which the rest of the description follows, rather than one item on a list of equally weighted faults.

Asked in question 1, below
2schools

Where this is bound to scripture, the loss reaches deeper than confusion: it is a broken relationship to the Veda's own commands and prohibitions.

Across Viśiṣṭādvaita, AdvaitaRāmānuja · Madhusūdana
In Rāmānuja and Madhusūdana’s words

Several of these readings tie the lost discrimination directly to scripture. Ramanuja and Madhusudana both read pravritti and nivritti as bound up with the Veda's own command-sentences and prohibition-sentences, so that not knowing engagement from withdrawal is really a broken relationship to revealed duty, not merely a private lapse in judgment.

1school

Because that discrimination is gone, purity, conduct, and truth follow it down; they are consequences of the first lack, not separate faults.

Across AdvaitaŚaṅkara · Madhusūdana
In Śaṅkara and Madhusūdana’s words

Because that basic discrimination is gone, three further things are declared absent: shaucha, purity of body and mind; achara, right conduct; and satya, truth in speech. Shankara and Madhusudana both note that these three could be folded into conduct alone, yet the verse names them apart for emphasis, following the same maxim of naming a class and then singling out its notable members.

Asked in question 2, below
2schools

The harshness of the description serves a purpose: a fault held up clearly is a fault that can finally be seen, and being seen, refused.

Across Bhakti, AdvaitaŚrīdhara · Madhusūdana
In Śrīdhara and Madhusūdana’s words

Sridhara and Madhusudana both read this verse as opening a long, deliberate portrait, roughly twelve verses in which Krishna sets out the demonic endowment so that it can be recognized and refused. The harshness of the description is diagnostic rather than merely condemnatory: a fault held up clearly is a fault that can finally be seen and let go of.

Asked in question 3, below
2schools

Where the classical sources themselves are thin or silent, as with Madhva here, the honest course is to say so plainly rather than to invent a confident voice in their name.

Across Advaita, BhaktiŚaṅkara · Śrīdhara · Madhusūdana
In Śaṅkara, Śrīdhara, and 1 others’ words

Where the classical commentary is thin or silent, as it is for Madhva here and largely for Abhinavagupta, the honest reading is to say so rather than to manufacture a full voice for them. What can still be said, carefully labeled as extrapolation rather than as their own word, is that their wider frameworks, dependence on the Lord for Madhva and the contemplative tracing of origin and dissolution for Abhinavagupta, would plausibly extend to this verse if applied.

This is the shared ground; it can be carried as it is. Below is where they differ.

Where they differthe divergence

The question they answer differently
Is the engagement and withdrawal the demonic fail to know ordinary moral discrimination, a broken relationship to Vedic command, or, on one fragmentary reading, the contemplative inquiry into a thing's origin and dissolution?
The traditional commentators
Advaita Vedāntasee this school across the GītāŚaṅkara
Engagement is the setting-to-work in duty, withdrawal its opposite; the demonic lack this outright and are, by nature, unclean, ill-conducted, and untruthful.
Shankara's own comment on file for this verse runs to one paragraph before the source breaks off.
Viśiṣṭādvaitasee this school across the GītāRāmānuja
Engagement and withdrawal are Vedic duty toward prosperity and liberation; conduct, especially the twilight-worship, is the cause that produces purity as its effect.
Ramanuja's comment on file likewise runs to one full paragraph.
Viśiṣṭādvaita, in their fuller words

Ramanuja ties engagement and withdrawal to the Vedic duty that secures both worldly prosperity and liberation, so the demons' failure is a failure within that specific scriptural frame. He gives purity and conduct a precise cause-and-effect structure: conduct, especially the twilight-worship, is what produces purity, so that one who omits it is, by an explicit rule he cites, always impure and unfit for all rites. Truth is right knowledge and speech for the good of beings. As with Shankara, only one full paragraph of his own reading survives on file for this verse.

Rāmānuja
Asked in question 5, below
Dvaitasee this school across the GītāMadhva
The source states Madhva offers no comment here; any dependence-on-the-Lord reading of this verse in his name is a labeled extrapolation, not his own word.
Honesty about silence, not invented doctrine, is the governing rule here.
Dvaita, in their fuller words

The source on file states plainly that Madhva offers no comment on this verse, and none is invented in his name. What can honestly be said is only a clearly-labeled extension of his general doctrine: on a Dvaita reading, the demons' failure to discriminate engagement from withdrawal would mark a soul whose very nature is oriented away from the dependence on Hari that alone makes such discrimination possible, so that impurity, misconduct, and untruth would be read as the visible signature of a soul-type fixed from without beginning, not an incidental lapse.

Madhva
Kashmir Śaivasee this school across the GītāAbhinavagupta
One short but genuine remark survives: pravritti and nivritti are two questions, from what has this arisen and where does it dissolve, so the demonic lack is the missing inquiry into origin and dissolution.
Abhinavagupta's comment here is a single line rather than a developed passage.
BhaktiŚrīdhara
One lost discrimination, knowing what should and should not be done, removes the ground beneath purity, conduct, and truth alike; they fall together, not separately.
Read as the first sign of the demonic disposition, opening a long portrait.
Bhakti, in their fuller words

Sridhara reads this verse as opening a long, deliberate portrait of the demonic nature and names its first sign as a single failure of clear judgment: the very power to know what should and should not be done is missing. Cleanness, conduct, and truth are absent, on his reading, not as three separate faults but as three things with no ground left to stand on once that one discriminating power is gone.

Śrīdhara
Modern voices teachers of the last two centuries, read together; they stand apart from the classical schools
A modern readingMadhusūdana
The deeper loss is the whole apparatus for telling right from wrong, inherited or reasoned, not any single wrong act; purity, conduct, and truth are named apart by deliberate rhetorical emphasis.
Read for a present-day frame, without requiring a ritual context.
A modern reading, in their fuller words

Read for a present-day frame, Madhusudana's careful distinction between the bare acts and the scriptural sentences that establish them highlights something still useful outside any ritual context: the demonic failure is not simply doing wrong things, it is losing the entire apparatus, inherited or reasoned, by which right and wrong could be told apart in the first place. Purity, conduct, and truth are named separately, on his reading, by the deliberate rhetorical habit of naming a class and then its most telling members, a stylistic choice worth noticing on its own terms.

Madhusūdana
Sit with these

A few questions to carry

These ask for understanding, not recall; each answer is settled by the commentary itself.

1
What does the verse name as the very first thing missing in people of demonic nature?
2
According to the verse, what three things are absent once that discrimination is gone?
3
Why do Sridhara and Madhusudana both read this verse as the opening of a longer passage?
4
If someone worries they might be losing this basic discrimination, what does the verse's own logic suggest they should do?
5
For Ramanuja, what is the relationship between conduct and purity in this verse?
For a second sitting7 more questions
6
What does the source available for this verse say about Madhva's comment?
7
What is the one substantive remark that survives from Abhinavagupta on this verse?
8
Why, according to Shankara and Madhusudana, does the verse name purity and truth apart from conduct, when they could be folded into it?
9
How does Madhusudana connect pravritti and nivritti to scripture specifically?
10
What single mechanism explains why purity, conduct, and truth all fail together in the demonic, on Sridhara's reading?
11
Why does this verse's harshness serve a diagnostic rather than merely condemning purpose, on Sridhara and Madhusudana's reading?
12
When a classical commentator's reading is thin or silent for a given verse, as with Madhva here, what is the honest way to handle that gap?

Carry this with youwhat stays

Read this verse first as a mirror rather than a description of someone else. Notice, today, any place where the plain question has gone quiet in you: what should I move toward, and what should I hold back from. The loss the verse names is not a single dramatic wrongdoing; it is this discrimination going dim. Let noticing it be enough to ask the question again, plainly, before you act.

Notice, today, any place where the plain question has gone quiet in you: what should I move toward, what should I hold back from. Ask it again, plainly, before you act.

प्रवृत्तिं च निवृत्तिं च जना न विदुरासुराः।pravṛttiṁ ca nivṛttiṁ ca janā na vidur āsurāḥ

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pravṛittimproper actionschaandnivṛittimimproper actionschaandjanāḥpersonsnanotviduḥcomprehendāsurāḥthose possessing demoniac naturenaneitherśhauchampuritynanorapievenchaandāchāraḥconductnanorsatyamtruthfulnessteṣhuin themvidyateexist
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Convergence

he verse names the very first thing missing in a person of demonic nature: the ability to tell pravritti from nivritti, what should be engaged with and what should be left alone. Shankara, Ramanuja, Sridhara, and Madhusudana all treat this as the foundational failure, the one lack from which the rest of the description follows, rather than one item on a list of equally weighted faults.

Śaṅkarācārya · Rāmānujācārya · Śrīdhara Svāmī · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Several of these readings tie the lost discrimination directly to scripture. Ramanuja and Madhusudana both read pravritti and nivritti as bound up with the Veda's own command-sentences and prohibition-sentences, so that not knowing engagement from withdrawal is really a broken relationship to revealed duty, not merely a private lapse in judgment.

Rāmānujācārya · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Because that basic discrimination is gone, three further things are declared absent: shaucha, purity of body and mind; achara, right conduct; and satya, truth in speech. Shankara and Madhusudana both note that these three could be folded into conduct alone, yet the verse names them apart for emphasis, following the same maxim of naming a class and then singling out its notable members.

Śaṅkarācārya · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Sridhara and Madhusudana both read this verse as opening a long, deliberate portrait, roughly twelve verses in which Krishna sets out the demonic endowment so that it can be recognized and refused. The harshness of the description is diagnostic rather than merely condemnatory: a fault held up clearly is a fault that can finally be seen and let go of.

Śrīdhara Svāmī · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Where the classical commentary is thin or silent, as it is for Madhva here and largely for Abhinavagupta, the honest reading is to say so rather than to manufacture a full voice for them. What can still be said, carefully labeled as extrapolation rather than as their own word, is that their wider frameworks, dependence on the Lord for Madhva and the contemplative tracing of origin and dissolution for Abhinavagupta, would plausibly extend to this verse if applied.

Śaṅkarācārya · Śrīdhara Svāmī · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Divergence

Advaita Vedānta

Shankara reads pravritti and nivritti as ordinary duty and its opposite: the setting-to-work in what is to be done, and the drawing back from the cause of harm. The demons lack this discrimination outright, and, he adds, are unclean, ill-conducted, given to maya, and speakers of untruth by their very nature. The published source for his comment here is a single substantive paragraph followed by a bare transition marker, so nothing further from his own hand is available beyond this.

Śaṅkarācārya

Viśiṣṭādvaita

Ramanuja ties engagement and withdrawal to the Vedic duty that secures both worldly prosperity and liberation, so the demons' failure is a failure within that specific scriptural frame. He gives purity and conduct a precise cause-and-effect structure: conduct, especially the twilight-worship, is what produces purity, so that one who omits it is, by an explicit rule he cites, always impure and unfit for all rites. Truth is right knowledge and speech for the good of beings. As with Shankara, only one full paragraph of his own reading survives on file for this verse.

Rāmānujācārya

Dvaita

The source on file states plainly that Madhva offers no comment on this verse, and none is invented in his name. What can honestly be said is only a clearly-labeled extension of his general doctrine: on a Dvaita reading, the demons' failure to discriminate engagement from withdrawal would mark a soul whose very nature is oriented away from the dependence on Hari that alone makes such discrimination possible, so that impurity, misconduct, and untruth would be read as the visible signature of a soul-type fixed from without beginning, not an incidental lapse.

Madhvācārya

Kashmir Śaiva

What survives of Abhinavagupta's comment is a single short but distinctive remark: he reads pravritti and nivritti as two questions rather than two actions, from what has this arisen, and where does it dissolve, so that the demonic failure named here is at root a failure to inquire into origin and dissolution. The source is silent on how this connects to purity, conduct, and truth specifically. Any extension linking the missing inquiry to those three, offered here only as a labeled construction, would read them as what follows once consciousness stops tracing objects back to their source.

Ācārya Abhinavagupta

Bhakti

Sridhara reads this verse as opening a long, deliberate portrait of the demonic nature and names its first sign as a single failure of clear judgment: the very power to know what should and should not be done is missing. Cleanness, conduct, and truth are absent, on his reading, not as three separate faults but as three things with no ground left to stand on once that one discriminating power is gone.

Śrīdhara Svāmī

Modern

Read for a present-day frame, Madhusudana's careful distinction between the bare acts and the scriptural sentences that establish them highlights something still useful outside any ritual context: the demonic failure is not simply doing wrong things, it is losing the entire apparatus, inherited or reasoned, by which right and wrong could be told apart in the first place. Purity, conduct, and truth are named separately, on his reading, by the deliberate rhetorical habit of naming a class and then its most telling members, a stylistic choice worth noticing on its own terms.

Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

A Seeker Asks

If demonic people cannot even tell right from wrong, is that a moral failure they are guilty of, or a blindness they cannot help, and where does that leave anyone trying not to become like this?

The commentators describe a real and settled incapacity, not a passing mistake: the discrimination between engagement and withdrawal is simply absent, and purity, conduct, and truth have no ground to stand on once it is gone. This is presented as the shape of a whole disposition, not one lapse in an otherwise sound judgment.

Śaṅkarācārya · Śrīdhara Svāmī

Yet the very reason this portrait is drawn out over so many verses, on Sridhara's and Madhusudana's reading, is so it can be recognized and refused. A fault held up plainly is a fault that can be seen; the description exists to be turned away from, not merely to condemn.

Śrīdhara Svāmī · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

For anyone worried about becoming like this, the honest answer is to keep asking the plain question the verse says the demonic have stopped asking: what should be moved toward, and what should be held back from. Where classical comment is thin or silent, as with Madhva here, the discipline is the same as with the verse itself: state plainly what is known, and do not fill the rest in with invented certainty.

Rāmānujācārya · Madhusūdana Sarasvatī

Contemplation

Read this verse first as a mirror rather than a description of someone else. Notice, today, any place where the plain question has gone quiet in you: what should I move toward, and what should I hold back from. The loss the verse names is not a single dramatic wrongdoing; it is this discrimination going dim. Let noticing it be enough to ask the question again, plainly, before you act.

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